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Refiner considers shipping oil via Great Lakes

WTHR News -- A petroleum refiner is exploring whether to build a crude oil loading dock on Lake Superior, near its refinery in Superior, Wis., to ship crude oil on the Great Lakes.

Jennifer Straumins, president of Calumet Specialty Product Partners, says the project would provide refineries more access to heavy crude oil from Canada as well as light crude from western North Dakota and eastern Montana.

Todd Borgmann, a vice president at Indianapolis-based Calumet, said in the same statement Friday that they would expect to have the project fully operational during the 2015 shipping season.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel notes that environmental groups already are fighting a proposed pipeline that would bring more crude from Canada into the U.S. It reports they're not thrilled about shipping oil


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Submitted Jan 28, 2013 By: bar1035
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 5:57:59 AM

keep the tar sand up in the North. That way, it won't all be exported (evil grin!)
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slicerette
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 2:25:27 PM

Yes Endbridge does run Canadian oil thru UP of MI and Enbridge is proposing a new pipeline called "Sandpiper" from North Dakota to Superior Oil Refinery on Wisconsin's shore with Lake Superior.

And Yes, the "greenies" are already protesting more American oil for Americans.

I notice the "greenies" never protest Venezuelan oil.
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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 8:44:55 PM

Doesn't Enbridge's Lakehead system already run to Superior?
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slicerette
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 7:53:56 PM

Yes, the Oil Tankers that sail the Great Lakes are required to be doubled hulled. Yes, there have been tankers on the Great Lakes since 1900, over one hundred and twelve years. Yes These Great Lakes tankers could take crude from Superior Wisconsin to Whiting Indiana's BP Oil Refinery, 6th largest in the world! Yes they could help supply Marathon's Detroit Oil Refinery that just made a $2,000,000,000 expansion to refine more heavy Canadian crude. BUT we need to have Sandpiper Oil Pipeline connect the North Dakota oil fields with Superior Wisconsin.

Yes, for 112 years, oil tankers have been sailing the Great Lakes.
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camaro_man
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:39:28 PM

yes make sure.....
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coughlin
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:31:06 PM

As long as they're double hulled.
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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:34:28 PM

Would you be in favor of this project if it were used to ship the oil out of the country?
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 8:09:16 AM

Not my dream thank you, too dangerous
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virostek
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 6:57:23 AM

I assumed they already did ship it.
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Wizrd03
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 6:42:46 AM

That will whip the greenies in to a frenzy!!!!!!!
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:20:55 AM

ok
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 2:23:31 AM

Sounds smart.
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:40:51 AM

I like it.
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AskMeLater
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:38:37 AM

Go for it!
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:36:25 AM

I didn't know that they couldn't???
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:31:54 AM

Another bad idea
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:28:34 AM


        this may upset some folk
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:28:27 AM

Ok fine. Where is Warren Buffett
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crreed1
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:21:15 AM

move it by rail
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singlemom27
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:19:32 AM

Superior is cold and deep. Storms on the Great Lakes can be vicious. They would need to limit or curtail their operations for several months each year for safety reasons.
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:18:07 AM

If the environmentalists won't let them build the Keystone, that oil will move someway, either by truck, rail or ship --- all of which are much less safe than a pipeline.
All are more prone to human error, accidents and terrorism.
All leave a much bigger carbon footprint than efficiently moving by pipeline.
All are more expensive.
And.......Talk about environmental disasteres, an oil tanker catastrophy in the great lakes makes just about any pipeline problem miniscule in comparison!!!

It seems that the environmentalists should be fighting FOR the pipeline!
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:16:58 AM

Aside from Gordon Lightfoot's ballad, the 1679 wreck of LaSalle's "Le Griffon" is a more noteworthy Great Lakes event.
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:16:35 AM

dhan quick
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:12:44 AM


Better yet, Refine it here and use it locally!

sehonda: Isn't everything in Honolulu foreign?

[Edited by: LQQKGAS at 1/29/2013 12:14:35 AM EST]
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sehonda
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:11:53 AM

foreign crude is foreign
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LQQKGAS
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:11:45 AM


How's about a pipeline?
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tedjm1
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:11:27 AM

Always a chance for some type of spill.
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:10:37 AM

sure if you can do it
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LQQKGAS
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:10:13 AM


One spill will turn the Great Lakes into the Great Swamps.
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:09:47 AM

Do it.
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:08:37 AM

Old news.
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:08:02 AM

More shipping, more oil.
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:06:51 AM

wreck of the edmund fitzgerald comes to mind
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:06:41 AM

OK. Good idea!
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:06:25 AM

Do one or the other
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:06:04 AM

Not the Great Lakes.
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Shortest distance between two points? Around Bozama?
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:04:35 AM

Obama and the EPA will squash this.
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:02:56 AM

Just another way around BO.
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:01:58 AM

Old News.
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:59:10 PM

Build it now
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:59:01 PM

There is a lot of room for more shipping on the Great Lakes.
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:58:24 PM

Risky business.
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:54:46 PM

key to transshipment
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:52:32 PM

Why not build
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:49:35 PM

I am guessing rail capacity could be increased before that without additional building and in the future pipelines. If we have not had shipping on the lakes why begin now.
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:49:23 PM

alright
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:47:46 PM

It most likely makes economic sense (therefore, Obama will block it).
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:47:00 PM

lets do it
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:45:04 PM

“. . . the project would provide refineries more access to heavy crude oil from Canada . . .”

Forget that “heavy crude” aka tar-sands sludge. I have no objection to shipping our ND crude via lake tankers if they can be loaded without spilling oil into the lakes. Just stay in port for the winter — no tankers trying to be icebreakers.
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