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Natural gas vehicles get a second look

USA Today -- As America finds more reserves of natural gas, the auto industry is sure to take notice.

Natural gas got a strong vote of confidence as a future vehicle fuel at the Society of Automotive Analysts Strategic Planning Summit in Southfield, Mich., last week.

New methods of extracting the gas are one of the biggest changes affecting the auto industry in years, General Motors chief economist Mustafa Mohatarem said.

"The U. S. now has a 100-year supply of natural gas," he said. "I'd make a bet it's the next big transportation fuel. The price is so much lower than gasoline -- people will find a way to use it."

The idea got a second from John Casesa, senior managing director of investment banking at Guggenheim Partners. "We're also very high on natural gas," he said. "It's a massive change ...

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,643 Points:1,611,470 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 22, 2012 2:40:21 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse when there's more demand, we'll see prices rise.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,643 Points:1,611,470 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 21, 2012 12:06:55 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse price is lower right now. Oil used to be lower too.
heydano67 Champion Author California Posts:1,681 Points:360,460 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 12:03:33 PM Ignore heydano67 Report Abuse nice to have the option
MusicalMan7 All-Star Author Ohio Posts:597 Points:93,430 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 10:13:15 AM Ignore MusicalMan7 Report Abuse Make love, not war.
Hobby001 Champion Author Michigan Posts:5,093 Points:1,186,440 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 7:12:37 AM Ignore Hobby001 Report Abuse Convert homes, not cars.
nb52 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:7,790 Points:1,548,800 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 6:36:33 AM Ignore nb52 Report Abuse Test market this first.
335d1 Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,391 Points:760,995 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 4:05:39 AM Ignore 335d1 Report Abuse Let's get some CNG infrastructure going.
us4usa Champion Author Missouri Posts:6,003 Points:1,115,215 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 12:45:26 AM Ignore us4usa Report Abuse Big oil and Big corn will stop NGVs, no corn water in NG...
RBob Champion Author Portland Posts:3,384 Points:2,349,825 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 12:20:14 AM Ignore RBob Report Abuse Sounds good. Maybe some one like UPS or FedEx or the USPS could convert their fleets.
FortVancouver01 Champion Author Washington Posts:1,175 Points:289,770 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 12:08:26 AM Ignore FortVancouver01 Report Abuse The more options the better. Might also make it easier to break up the big oil monopoly if they don't get total control of that fuel too.
boatfloyd Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:1,733 Points:390,900 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 12:08:08 AM Ignore boatfloyd Report Abuse How about a hybrid: Natural Gas Electic.
radiorumor Champion Author Texas Posts:2,822 Points:756,560 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 12:07:34 AM Ignore radiorumor Report Abuse This is taking too long, maybe big oil doesn’t want to re-tool
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,810 Points:416,040 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 12:07:10 AM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Who controls the price of gas, @libertyut? The more people that switch away from gasoline means the lower the demand for it and therefore the lower the price.
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,483 Points:665,125 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 12:07:07 AM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse Go CNG
purplebears Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:9,060 Points:1,165,680 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 12:05:37 AM Ignore purplebears Report Abuse It simply makes sense to move forward towards the use of natural gas or electric vehicles. Most residential properties already have either natural gas, electricity or both already piped or wired to the buildings. In most cases, contractors could extend the natural gas lines/electric chargers to garages or parking structures for nominal costs. The convenience of refueling your vehicle at home would become the new normal thing to do. The downside would be the loss of many gas stations and convenience stores. But in reality is that really a loss?
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,810 Points:416,040 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 12:04:49 AM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse I hear what you're saying, @EVBuddy, but at least CNG is an improvement over gasoline and diesel from a pollution standpoint. CNG is so clean that its carbon monoxide and nitrous oxide emissions don't even register during tests. That being said, CNG should be used as a bridge to a renewable energy future.
bababooey2 Champion Author Hartford Posts:6,362 Points:1,305,540 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 12:03:15 AM Ignore bababooey2 Report Abuse About time.
NoStrings Champion Author Ventura Posts:1,387 Points:271,280 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 12:02:21 AM Ignore NoStrings Report Abuse ok
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,810 Points:416,040 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 12:01:58 AM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Expect CNG to become widespread before hydrogen does, @MusicalMan7. Most of the hydrogen is already produced by steam reforming of natural gas. Plus, CNG powered engines are less expensive to produce than current generation fuel cells. Also CNG requires lower pressure storage tanks than those used to store hydrogen so those tanks are less expensive as well. That being said, CNG may bring hydrogen further down the development highway as any improvements in CNG will also improve the use of hydrogen.
EVBuddy Champion Author Nevada Posts:16,700 Points:3,033,545 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:58:49 PM Ignore EVBuddy Report Abuse NG doesn't deserve a second look. It is just another limited fossil fuel
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,810 Points:416,040 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:57:18 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse If that's true, @Jeeputtputt, then how much gas does Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have?
Mikeyl Champion Author Cleveland Posts:5,172 Points:1,187,720 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:56:06 PM Ignore Mikeyl Report Abuse Bring it on.
trolsen Rookie Author Utah Posts:17 Points:133,070 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:55:51 PM Ignore trolsen Report Abuse I'll go for CNG
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,810 Points:416,040 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:55:37 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Don't be so sure of that, @MDTDriver. The world is using more and more oil every year. Heck, 1.2 billion Chinese and another 1 billion Indians all want cars.
bobdec Champion Author Miami Posts:8,979 Points:1,772,745 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:52:35 PM Ignore bobdec Report Abuse I think that NG will be one of the cars of the future
clermont40miles Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:10,588 Points:1,774,820 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:52:00 PM Ignore clermont40miles Report Abuse Look all you want but without infrastructure making fuel readily available and affordable, it will go nowhere. I'm all for it. Bring on the pumps and keep it all safe.
mlmeng Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,645 Points:593,010 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:50:28 PM Ignore mlmeng Report Abuse I would not mind owning a natural gas vehicle.
SavALot Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:8,484 Points:1,713,785 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:50:25 PM Ignore SavALot Report Abuse Any safe alternative should be considered
snakebitef22 Veteran Author Corpus Christi Posts:447 Points:31,520 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:48:31 PM Ignore snakebitef22 Report Abuse Mexico has converted big trucks and pick ups to run on gas for years ,we had a pick up with a 60 gallon tanks ran for a month.....
texasvet Champion Author Texas Posts:3,839 Points:360,875 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:47:28 PM Ignore texasvet Report Abuse And for those who think that it's a long time down the road, Shell has already committed to providing CNG fueling capability at their stations.
carloco75 Champion Author Richmond Posts:3,721 Points:602,965 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:46:18 PM Ignore carloco75 Report Abuse Again...
texasvet Champion Author Texas Posts:3,839 Points:360,875 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:46:11 PM Ignore texasvet Report Abuse CNG is the immediate future. It's cheap, readily available in quantity, and it can be used in literally any type of engine. Try flying aircraft on coal or electricity.
Blue48 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,320 Points:1,640,870 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:44:17 PM Ignore Blue48 Report Abuse TIME WILL TELL!
MDTDriver Champion Author California Posts:9,739 Points:2,157,570 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:42:32 PM Ignore MDTDriver Report Abuse And oil will be for longer than that.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,810 Points:416,040 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:38:51 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse The market will determine if CNG has a place on the road. Of course, that's if Big Oil doesn't block its introduction.
Vetteblu Champion Author Denver Posts:2,685 Points:782,770 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:38:27 PM Ignore Vetteblu Report Abuse It just goes on & on.
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,866 Points:1,615,135 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:37:51 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse “So far, the biggest interest is among companies that operate fleets and can centrally fuel natural gas vehicles, not consumers. Long-haul trucking might be the first field to make widespread use of the fuel. . . .” I fully agree with these conclusions. NG for private cars is quite some way in the future due to the need for construction of extensive fueling facilities.
faulkc05 All-Star Author Atlanta Posts:660 Points:274,290 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:37:34 PM Ignore faulkc05 Report Abuse The 100-year supply will soon turn to a 5 year supply if it's implemented and if people would want to run their vehicles on it without fear of explosion, because demand would be higher.
acknot Champion Author Seattle Posts:1,628 Points:873,445 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:35:25 PM Ignore acknot Report Abuse Then what are we waiting for?
Marson Champion Author Scranton Posts:8,957 Points:2,080,110 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:31:08 PM Ignore Marson Report Abuse The move to N gas is coming on strong. It will continue to grow.
MusicalMan7 All-Star Author Ohio Posts:597 Points:93,430 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:30:18 PM Ignore MusicalMan7 Report Abuse When are Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles gonna get a second look?
tidalwave3 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:1,308 Points:1,466,180 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:29:33 PM Ignore tidalwave3 Report Abuse THIS IS AN IDEA THAT IS A WIN-WIN :)
bonzoonfmb Champion Author Florida Posts:1,792 Points:646,535 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:28:05 PM Ignore bonzoonfmb Report Abuse We need to utilize all the forms of fuel that we have. Natural gas is not a panacea. The more demand there is for it and the more that it is utilized for any purpose means that it will go up in price until it balances out with other forms of energy. John Casesa, senior managing director of investment banking at Guggenheim Partners. "We're also very high on natural gas," he said. - You are doing it wrong.
after10 Veteran Author Hamilton Posts:363 Points:47,985 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:26:46 PM Ignore after10 Report Abuse Great .Fuel up with natural from our homes.Lets do it.
libertyut Champion Author Utah Posts:1,360 Points:293,575 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:24:14 PM Ignore libertyut Report Abuse You people crack me up. You want your electric or natural gas car. But you can't sell it. Like the Chev Volt, you can't sell it so now there advertising it saying it is more of a car then an electric. Get real people lower the price of gas.
ot4kidz Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,565 Points:783,780 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:23:03 PM Ignore ot4kidz Report Abuse They're (NG vehicles) have been around for years. No one seems to really want to move forward with this.
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,080 Points:1,734,140 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:22:48 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse as they should
nwsynthetics Champion Author Oregon Posts:1,014 Points:347,625 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:21:46 PM Ignore nwsynthetics Report Abuse Thanks
brutherruther Veteran Author Fort Worth Posts:435 Points:237,540 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:21:31 PM Ignore brutherruther Report Abuse Ok
wayoung56 Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,815 Points:821,260 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:19:34 PM Ignore wayoung56 Report Abuse Interesting article...