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Fracking Rules on U.S. Lands Seen by Interior as Model

bloomberg.com -- Federal rules for fracking on public lands, set to be released in a few weeks, may serve as a model for states to get companies to disclose the chemicals used in the drilling process, an Obama administration official said.

The proposed federal standards will be compatible with rules already in place in states such as Wyoming and Texas, and will allow limited exemptions for “legitimate trade secrets,” David Hayes, the deputy Interior secretary, said today.

“What we expect is that the momentum that you already see in states for disclosure will be reinforced by what we do,” Hayes said in an interview at the Washington office of Bloomberg News. “Most folks would like to see an across-the-board approach to deal with these issues.”

In addition to chemical disclosures, the rules will set

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JustDrill4Oil Veteran Author Dayton Posts:264 Points:22,825 Joined:Jul 2010	Message Posted: Feb 11, 2012 4:12:35 PM Ignore JustDrill4Oil Report Abuse BIG GUV'MET Loves Us.
JustDrill4Oil Veteran Author Dayton Posts:264 Points:22,825 Joined:Jul 2010	Message Posted: Feb 11, 2012 3:51:08 PM Ignore JustDrill4Oil Report Abuse Questionable form from the OP? "One has to wonder if one of our more spastic GB members has either been exposed to too many of these fracking chemicals already; or simply needs his medication increased? Perhaps someone needs to call a Doctor?" Are personal attacks like that helpful to the discussion? I know there are worse examples but that was the latest. When someone has to resort to name calling, chances are they are out of logic. It's pretty simple, as I posted the other day with a copy pasted below. If they have not fully disclosed what they are injecting, it's easy. Disclose it. Does anyone think the public would object to full disclosure? OTH, if this is another of far too many cases of the government just setting up another hoop to string the frackers out and run up their costs that is so typical of this Obomination of an administration, then the government's sillyness needs to be exposed. Post from the other day: How can the government waste more money on something so simple? Making companies disclose what they are putting into the ground is such a no brainer. Though I support drilling, because of the chance that chemicals inserted on one property can leak onto another, requiring disclosure of exactly what is being injected into these wells has to be a prerequisite to doing it. The remarkable thing is that there might be states that allow the practice without the disclosure. At the same time, it shouldn't take forever for the government to set the requirements. If having to disclose causes a company to wonder if that might mean they'll get caught when their chemical kills people, that seems like a good thing. But if they've done their homework, they should be allowed to move forward.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:15,978 Points:1,248,125 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2012 5:59:16 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse T42: sure, Pig Oil loves us...
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:15,978 Points:1,248,125 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2012 5:58:44 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse drpepper: you might need to check your kool-aid. I'm pretty sure there ain't no more "coke" in ol' Coke or I'd say you might have hit a bad batch.
teafortwo Champion Author Washington Posts:17,039 Points:1,028,330 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 9:16:31 PM Ignore teafortwo Report Abuse BIG OIL & GAS love us There is still a bit of a tug-of-war going on with the industry over not releasing ALL of the information on the fracking chemicals used. They claim they have to protect their "trade secrets" comparing their "trade secrets" to recipes for popular marketed foods? Problem is, there are a lot of food safety regulations in place by the FDA to prevent companies from putting toxins such as arsenic and mercury into foods. Remember when they made them take the cocaine out of the Coke recipe? But frackers insist it is OK for them to pump toxins into our soil and air. So trying to pretend that these frackers operate under similar restrictions by comparing them to food manufacturers? That is simply more bait and switch nonsense. We are simply asking for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth ;0} fracking-disclosure rule deemed worthless amid trade-secrets loophole Unpacking health hazards in fracking's chemical cocktail New fracking Worries: ?Methane Leaks, Radioactive Water Endocrine Disruption - The Fossil Fuel Connection One has to wonder if one of our more spastic GB members has either been exposed to too many of these fracking chemicals already; or simply needs his medication increased? Perhaps someone needs to call a Doctor? BIG OIL & GAS love us
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:4,958 Points:394,345 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 5:48:31 PM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse Wrong again and caught in ANOTHER lie NHLiver, every chemical used is, by Federal law, marked and identified with MSDS information. See, it is easy for me to back up the truth, not so with you when all you have is innuendo and have been so easily misled by the left wing media.
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:8,048 Points:1,274,115 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 12:02:48 AM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse I can see your nose growing from here in the White Mountains of NH doc..!!! You left out the "propretary" indgredients that most drillers have refused to divulge!!! Just a 'minor' detail, eh doc..
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:8,048 Points:1,274,115 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:59:35 PM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse Hope they don't allow the industry to put water supplies at risk as they have by poisoning the wells of several families in Wyoming! Standards and rules are necessary leemun. If some in this industry can't follow standards, they are in the wrong business.
my2002m Champion Author Tulsa Posts:4,259 Points:1,310,095 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:59:02 PM Ignore my2002m Report Abuse And they will get really messed up then.
leemun Champion Author Utah Posts:3,599 Points:684,255 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 8:31:07 PM Ignore leemun Report Abuse This does note bode well for the nation and the economy.
Tomeboy Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,525 Points:200,525 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 8:03:43 PM Ignore Tomeboy Report Abuse For those who just joined us... we are having a fracking conversation... on fracking rules. We hope you will find our fracking conversation insightful, enlightening and entertaining. Please feel free to join the fracking conversation with any of your fracking ideas.
AnObserver Champion Author New Jersey Posts:6,740 Points:1,935,335 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 7:47:59 PM Ignore AnObserver Report Abuse ++ will allow limited exemptions for “legitimate trade secrets,” ++ My BS detector just went wild
MBAcura All-Star Author Orlando Posts:978 Points:328,980 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 5:28:46 PM Ignore MBAcura Report Abuse Rules? Where we're going, we don't need no fracking rules.
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:4,958 Points:394,345 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 5:15:52 PM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse Sure Nigelb! Here's a list of the most common chemicals used, from the Dept of Energy, and common uses outside of fracing: Fracking fluid is 90% water, 9.5% sand and the other 0.5% contains one or more of the following: Hydrochloric Acid- commonly used to maintain swimming pools Sodium Chloride- table salt Polyacrymalide- commonly used as water treatment and soil conditioner Ethylene glycol- commonly used in anti-freeze, driving agents and everyday household cleaners Borate salts- commonly used in laundry soap, cosmetics, hand soap Sodium/potassium carbonate- commonly used in washing soda, detergent, soap, water softener, glass and ceramics Glutaraldehyde- commonly used in sterilizing medical and dental equipment. Guar gum- commonly used in toothpaste, ice cream, sauces Citric acid- found in citrus fruits Isopropanol- commonly used in glass cleaner, antiperspirant, hair coloring. Source Dept. of Energy
nigelb Champion Author Virginia Posts:6,839 Points:1,062,525 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:49:02 PM Ignore nigelb Report Abuse drpepperTX said "There never has been a secret of chemicals used, only the ratio of chemicals diluted in the water are "trade secrets"." Oh, please educate us and tell us what chemicals are used, even if you can't disclose the ratios.
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:4,958 Points:394,345 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:46:03 PM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse Another exercise in redundancy by the government. MSDS information already has to be on every chemical, at every well site, in every state, period. There never has been a secret of chemicals used, only the ratio of chemicals diluted in the water are "trade secrets". No differnet than Coca-Cola, which must list their ingredients. It is only the ratios of those ingredients that is protected under "trade secrets".
rippinusoff Champion Author Lexington Posts:5,589 Points:1,127,825 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:44:57 PM Ignore rippinusoff Report Abuse ok
nemoFL Champion Author Florida Posts:7,143 Points:1,277,490 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:36:25 PM Ignore nemoFL Report Abuse good
EmperorsFinest Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,039 Points:219,440 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:33:48 PM Ignore EmperorsFinest Report Abuse So only NOW is it important to change and frack on the chemical. Way to go on the delay since these companies have been doing this for decades already.
The_DR Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,069 Points:233,620 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:27:18 PM Ignore The_DR Report Abuse What the frack?
nigelb Champion Author Virginia Posts:6,839 Points:1,062,525 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:24:16 PM Ignore nigelb Report Abuse AJeepLife - I agree 100%! Disclose what chemicals are used or no go!
caddilac Champion Author Ontario Posts:14,452 Points:1,779,380 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:20:31 PM Ignore caddilac Report Abuse Interesting.
72_Monte Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:5,968 Points:1,637,250 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:15:43 PM Ignore 72_Monte Report Abuse The frackers are learning from 3M's mistakes. Don't disclose your secrets, & it's harder to sue you.
dchiou Champion Author San Jose Posts:1,648 Points:464,035 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:15:15 PM Ignore dchiou Report Abuse finally
AJeepLife Veteran Author Ottawa Posts:307 Points:165,430 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:13:56 PM Ignore AJeepLife Report Abuse Frick and Frack- I think the disclosure of the chemical cocktail is important as it 'should' encourage fracking companies to look for less toxic chemicals. They may not choose to do so, but at some point someone is going to have to 'grow a set' and stand up for 'corporate responsibility' no disclosue = no lisence to frack.
FOURXFOUR Champion Author Boston Posts:1,274 Points:984,525 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:13:46 PM Ignore FOURXFOUR Report Abuse FRACK, BABY, FRACK....
silverfoxv65 Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,638 Points:870,635 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:12:54 PM Ignore silverfoxv65 Report Abuse It should be stoped no matter what, our water supply is just to valuable
themaninthehat Champion Author New Orleans Posts:1,542 Points:406,750 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:09:41 PM Ignore themaninthehat Report Abuse This earth rape is overdue for Regulation!
humancry Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,804 Points:838,970 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:08:31 PM Ignore humancry Report Abuse I tell you we have to get on the good ole horse and run it out of town..
honkerman Champion Author San Jose Posts:34,983 Points:2,036,320 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:08:20 PM Ignore honkerman Report Abuse Uh Huh...........
GryphonX Champion Author Nevada Posts:5,007 Points:1,283,295 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:07:35 PM Ignore GryphonX Report Abuse People are such hypocrites ... they want cheap energy, but aren't willing to do what it takes to get it ...
radiorumor Champion Author Texas Posts:1,064 Points:396,520 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:06:55 PM Ignore radiorumor Report Abuse All I know is that Punxsutawney looked bloated this year.
soakmonkey All-Star Author Nevada Posts:836 Points:822,790 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:06:42 PM Ignore soakmonkey Report Abuse hmm
Thomtec All-Star Author Nashville Posts:718 Points:252,520 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:06:25 PM Ignore Thomtec Report Abuse Now Barry knows fracking.
marsbars Champion Author Alaska Posts:1,422 Points:932,175 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:01:22 PM Ignore marsbars Report Abuse OK
nimpy Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:6,772 Points:1,426,740 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 3:55:52 PM Ignore nimpy Report Abuse need to keep the government out of things
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uptherefiners Champion Author Chicago Posts:3,812 Points:779,695 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 3:47:35 PM Ignore uptherefiners Report Abuse yet another friggin fracking story
NashGas Champion Author Nashville Posts:2,326 Points:482,970 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 3:43:00 PM Ignore NashGas Report Abuse Holy cow!
wulf2000 Champion Author Miami Posts:1,718 Points:1,079,740 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 3:42:11 PM Ignore wulf2000 Report Abuse It does not matter what model has been established since the Greenies are against it and a have powerful influence within the EPA.
hank1326 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:7,203 Points:1,384,950 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 3:38:26 PM Ignore hank1326 Report Abuse Time will tell the truth.
ClevelandWheele Sophomore Author Florida Posts:191 Points:95,885 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 3:37:28 PM Ignore ClevelandWheele Report Abuse Drill drill dri
Kato51 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:5,788 Points:1,867,995 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 3:36:28 PM Ignore Kato51 Report Abuse Looks like to many excemptions and will all end of political.
jessek Champion Author Detroit Posts:2,352 Points:1,219,240 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 3:34:15 PM Ignore jessek Report Abuse You mean to tell me there's no paper trail of bought chemicals, materials, etc. regarding used in fracking. Someone's not looking very hard/diligently.
Taurus1 Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,566 Points:1,340,450 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 3:30:58 PM Ignore Taurus1 Report Abuse What is "will allow limited exemptions for 'legitimate trade secrets'"??
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SUPERQUACK Champion Author Sacramento Posts:4,452 Points:1,581,165 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 3:26:57 PM Ignore SUPERQUACK Report Abuse WHO KNOWS THE TRUTH.... NEED SOME "HONEST, UNDERCOVER" JOURNALIST TO CHECK IT OUT........ DOUBT THERE ARE ANY OF THOSE LEFT !!!!!