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For Electric Car Batteries, The Race for a Rapid Charge

e360.yale.edu -- The amount of time it takes to recharge lithium-ion batteries has been a major impediment to consumer acceptance of electric vehicles. But a host of companies and researchers are working intensively to develop a battery that can recharge in 10 minutes and power a car for hundreds of miles.

If stopping for gas took five or six hours, would you rethink that road trip? How about an hour? When it comes to electric vehicles, topping up the “tank” does indeed take a long time, one of the primary barriers to more widespread adoption of EVs. So it is no surprise that there is an aggressive push to improve batteries and charging infrastructure, with a goal of making a stop for a recharge no different than a stop for gas.

But pushing a lot of power into a little battery in a short time presen

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,599 Points:1,607,570 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 3:15:41 PM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse better to slow charge or exchange than fast charge. Unless battery technologies change radically, fast is not good.
wshutton Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,662 Points:923,970 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 1:03:51 PM Ignore wshutton Report Abuse K
bicycler Champion Author Ontario Posts:14,815 Points:2,598,445 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 12:19:18 PM Ignore bicycler Report Abuse I would love to see those greedy 'oilbarons' fall into the sea of Chapter 11.bHowever I may be too old to enjoy that moment!
bicycler Champion Author Ontario Posts:14,815 Points:2,598,445 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:57:32 AM Ignore bicycler Report Abuse bston; Nice thought but long away
bston Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:1,810 Points:640,325 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 1:58:17 AM Ignore bston Report Abuse They'll probably be solar powered eventually.
kkimes Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,596 Points:1,504,735 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 1:39:34 AM Ignore kkimes Report Abuse I agree NHLiveFree. Too many people make the assumption that an EV would be the only car. I have a Camry Hybrid and get great mileage in town and on the highway but I'd still buy an EV for all my local driving if I could buy one for about a 10% premium but for now, they are just too darn expensive.
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:11,083 Points:1,621,355 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 1:14:22 AM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse Of course current full EVs are best suited only for local travel. Heating and cooling of the densely packed battery pack or groupings of battery modules is a problem and challenge right now. Fortunately nanotechnology is advancing rapidly and may provide many of the solutions to vehicle battery packs, capacity, and rapid charging. I'm glad we all have choices and can pick and choose the best vehicle for our needs. It is a shame that a small clique here seems to abhor variety and individual choice.
txkrb Champion Author Texas Posts:1,558 Points:637,490 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 12:13:10 AM Ignore txkrb Report Abuse To jrsva the batteries weigh about 100 lbs and are extemely expensive not practical to change batteries for a charge To kdmwi, the conversion would cost over $10,000 not practical to convert a gasoline powered vehicle
jetskijerry Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,891 Points:771,295 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 12:12:13 AM Ignore jetskijerry Report Abuse Until you can match this, I'm not interested.
jetskijerry Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,891 Points:771,295 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 12:11:54 AM Ignore jetskijerry Report Abuse My van currently has a 500 mile range and takes 5 min to fill
jetskijerry Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,891 Points:771,295 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 12:11:31 AM Ignore jetskijerry Report Abuse fix it and I'll buy it
N5EXY Champion Author Austin Posts:5,487 Points:1,508,655 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 12:09:00 AM Ignore N5EXY Report Abuse We need changing stations, not charging stations. Swap out the tired battery for a new pony.
Beau2140 Champion Author New York Posts:8,286 Points:1,655,210 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 12:08:58 AM Ignore Beau2140 Report Abuse OK
KDMWI Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:4,188 Points:381,195 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 12:02:43 AM Ignore KDMWI Report Abuse By the way if you want an EV vehicle why wait. They make kits to convert a gas powered vehicle to electric, and it doesn't cost $40,000 or more lol. YouTube even has videos on how to convert.
ace12012 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:1,660 Points:323,860 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 12:02:31 AM Ignore ace12012 Report Abuse read it before.
PrinceLH Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,687 Points:537,070 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 12:01:43 AM Ignore PrinceLH Report Abuse Also need a better charge!
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,795 Points:412,265 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:58:07 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse It doesn't take very much time to charge an EV battery fron nearly empty to around 80% full. That last 20% is what takes hours and hours, because the charger needs to reduce the charging rate, in order to prevent the battery from overloading. Nobody's talking about taking EVs on roadtrips. Most people would never need to charge up fully from on the road.
DrCashFlow Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:7,059 Points:1,625,275 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:57:51 PM Ignore DrCashFlow Report Abuse Totally agree
vjs3 Champion Author Denver Posts:2,531 Points:648,715 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:55:50 PM Ignore vjs3 Report Abuse EV's don't seem to be in my near future.
heartbroken2010 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:4,334 Points:895,585 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:55:11 PM Ignore heartbroken2010 Report Abuse the sooner the better.
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,846 Points:1,611,275 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:55:07 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse “. . . a continuous charging system powered from the motion of driving the vehicle . . .” Ah yes, a perpetual motion machine; that sounds promising.”
mplato Champion Author Columbia Posts:8,244 Points:1,814,295 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:54:42 PM Ignore mplato Report Abuse elctric isnt green
NGEFE Veteran Author Provo Posts:339 Points:466,225 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:54:33 PM Ignore NGEFE Report Abuse it looks like we need some serious break throughs
sydb7 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,552 Points:1,918,030 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:53:00 PM Ignore sydb7 Report Abuse ok
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,846 Points:1,611,275 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:52:38 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse EVs are not yet ready for prime time. More development is needed, including better batteries and a battery-exchange program instead of slow recharging stations. Battery exchange could be done in the time it takes to pump gas. And they make no sense unless the electricity comes from solar or other renewable source. What’s the point of burning coal to drive your car?
dollarwatcher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:7,935 Points:1,533,270 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:49:20 PM Ignore dollarwatcher Report Abuse Too much of a hassel for me.
saleboss Champion Author Phoenix Posts:3,929 Points:1,177,875 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:49:15 PM Ignore saleboss Report Abuse EV's are not the solution!
RecountFL Champion Author Miami Posts:8,739 Points:1,500,910 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:46:31 PM Ignore RecountFL Report Abuse Great that technology is improving, but I'm still waiting for cold fusion!
darkknight1 Champion Author Winston-Salem Posts:4,330 Points:894,110 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:44:10 PM Ignore darkknight1 Report Abuse no ev for me.
Bleeder Champion Author Virginia Posts:8,038 Points:1,698,875 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:40:47 PM Ignore Bleeder Report Abuse It will get here eventually.
FuelOilOH Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,837 Points:1,180,220 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:40:00 PM Ignore FuelOilOH Report Abuse We live in interesting times for emerging battery technology. It will be electric, turbo diesel and gas direct inject that will drive the high milage vehicles in the near future. LNG and hydrogen just are not main stream enough.
OGW Champion Author London Posts:5,324 Points:1,530,400 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:39:24 PM Ignore OGW Report Abuse If they want EV's to be acceepted there is much more work than just the batteries to do but a continuous charging system powered from the motion of driving the vehicle would be a better place to start the improvements.
fenster66 Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:3,345 Points:673,115 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:39:20 PM Ignore fenster66 Report Abuse hopefully, someday.....
DustyHorse Champion Author Virginia Posts:6,079 Points:1,390,785 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:38:08 PM Ignore DustyHorse Report Abuse Keep working on the technology.
SandeeC Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,988 Points:460,030 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:36:24 PM Ignore SandeeC Report Abuse Not surprising. And bonzoonfmb, I've heard of plans like that here in Canada. Sorta like the BBQ propane gas tank exchange. You just drive in, drop off your battery, pick up a fresh on and on you go.
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:17,615 Points:3,493,730 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:36:01 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse Too bad the auto industry doesn't standardize on interfaces between major car systems. The cost of vehicles would come down if more parts were standardized and could be used by multiple vehicles (interchangeably). I believe that success of this technology is necessary for EVs to become mainstream. However, I doubt that it will happen in the next decade.
MG_Sputnik Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:7,300 Points:1,958,680 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:34:07 PM Ignore MG_Sputnik Report Abuse For me a race for a rapid snooze.
bonzoonfmb Champion Author Florida Posts:1,777 Points:642,860 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:29:33 PM Ignore bonzoonfmb Report Abuse Having common battery packs between electric vehicles would solve this problem - just swap the depleted packs out for fresh ones. This will never happen though, there would never be agreement on a standard for the packs and the discovery and testing of new technology in battery materials and construction would mean that there would be too much changeover to keep up with.
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,061 Points:1,730,260 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:29:23 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse great idea
mrinmoyd Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,095 Points:364,525 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:27:29 PM Ignore mrinmoyd Report Abuse it will be
gmcgas Champion Author Atlanta Posts:5,943 Points:1,712,220 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:23:00 PM Ignore gmcgas Report Abuse they will have to.
my2002m Champion Author Tulsa Posts:6,064 Points:1,668,350 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:21:20 PM Ignore my2002m Report Abuse They have a long ways to go.
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:7,917 Points:1,574,005 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:19:59 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse without a rapid charge, electric cars are doomed
wayoung56 Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,795 Points:817,360 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:16:33 PM Ignore wayoung56 Report Abuse Interesting article...
1Casey Champion Author Albany Posts:6,523 Points:1,791,210 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:15:38 PM Ignore 1Casey Report Abuse more research
herbiepopnecker Champion Author British Columbia Posts:13,596 Points:2,505,355 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:13:14 PM Ignore herbiepopnecker Report Abuse Stupid and wasteful because they jst can't get it slapped out of their moronic heads electric vehicles ARE NOT FOR road trips!
shea33 Champion Author Pensacola Posts:2,358 Points:540,990 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:12:42 PM Ignore shea33 Report Abuse got it
scubadaniel Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,411 Points:690,120 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:11:56 PM Ignore scubadaniel Report Abuse New stuff is always expensive. Let the wealthy among us buy them for now and in a few years the price will drop.
milespergallon Champion Author Illinois Posts:9,739 Points:1,907,385 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:08:53 PM Ignore milespergallon Report Abuse Like most Americans, I do NOT want one of these expensive useless wasteful sop
Double_Golden Champion Author San Francisco Posts:2,555 Points:603,660 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 11:03:03 PM Ignore Double_Golden Report Abuse can't afford an EV...