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Environmentalists urge TVA to shut down more coal plants

timesfreepress -- The Tennessee Valley Authority has shut down or announced plans to soon shutter more than a dozen of its oldest and smallest coal-fired generation units to meet federal clean air standards.

But environmental leaders appealed to TVA's new directors Thursday to move away more aggressively from the fossil fuels that have powered most of the Tennessee Valley for the past half century.

"The age of coal has passed," Louise Gorenflo, a member of the Tennessee Chapter of the Sierra Club, told TVA board members during their quarterly meeting in Chattanooga. "Now is the time for TVA to retreat from these fossil fuels that pump out more carbon into the atmosphere. We need to move to other renewable sources and do more to promote energy efficiency."



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honda0105
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 5:58:54 AM

as expensive as heating oils are right now, let's keep the NE warm at least... and find means to make the plants cleaner.
LetemEatCake
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How I love your comments NH...."We are all tired of the constant political rants of a bunch of 'Angry Old Men' here that have nothing better to do than spout hateful and mean spirited diatribes on Recent News rather than comment on details of the news article at hand.

Will you 'Angry Old Men' please go to the Politics Forum to rant and rave at will? All here will be extremely grateful!

It is a simple matter of COST. Natural Gas is beating the heck out of Big Coal!"

Well said, particularly the part ABOUT 'Angry Old Men'!

lesndave
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 11:41:18 PM

Nicely put, lgwhitlock!
A_NY_Outlaw
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 10:03:27 PM

Don't worry Ned. The brainwashed masses will just continue to blame Bush. After all, that's the official Obama motto they live by.
NedW
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 9:32:23 PM

Are people so blind that they don't see the economic damage this is going to wreak on one that's already teetering on collapse, with negligible benefit to the environment?
ExplorerWA
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 9:28:40 PM

And the replacement plants are being built when and where?
dave27johnson
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 9:12:39 PM

We have better options than coal.
A_NY_Outlaw
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 8:58:26 PM

Give me a break with the poor me liberal pity party. The brainwashed dems were relentless when it came to president Bush. Anyone who continues to support this corrupt and incompetent administration is about as UN-American as you can get. It might as well be the same as coming clean and stating the left wants to live under the curtails of big government, redistribution of wealth from those who have more,all by gladly giving up rights established by the constitution and to which our brave men and women who serve and who died defending our great country. All to give you libbies the right to condemn those who won't conform to the King's view.
NHLiveFree
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 5:52:56 PM


We are all tired of the constant political rants of a bunch of 'Angry Old Men' here that have nothing better to do than spout hateful and mean spirited diatribes on Recent News rather than comment on details of the news article at hand.

Will you 'Angry Old Men' please go to the Politics Forum to rant and rave at will? All here will be extremely grateful!

It is a simple matter of COST. Natural Gas is beating the heck out of Big Coal!
PDQBlues
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 5:05:26 PM


The Tennessee Valley Authority was a bad idea from the beginning. Yes, shut those coal plants down.
nsdp
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 3:19:12 PM

54 years old and inefficient. They also use 800 gallons of water per megawatt vs less than 400 for the newer gas turbines. AS to cost, the TVA cost estimates are about 1/2 of what the real costs are turning out to be in the real world. Ameren is finishing their first plant upgrade for a plant the size of one of the four TVA plants at $640 million. 4 times Ameren's real cost is $2.5 billion not $1 billion. CPS decided to close two plants less than 40 years old after real cost estimates came in at $970 million for the two plants that are each smaller than any one of TVA's 4 plants. For same money you can build nearly twice as much capacity in gas and use 35% less fuel and half as much water. And you have anew plant not one 50+ years old.
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There truly is a fool born every minute.
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 2:11:12 PM

Maybe the "Age of Coal" has passed but is still one of our cheaper resources for many things. At least thats what I realize as my electric costs go up. New power plants have to be built to replace those that are shut down and at what cost to consumers. Seems all costs trickle down to consumer no matter what happens.
lgwhitlock
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 1:19:48 PM

Why waste resources closing them and forcing them to build new plants? Why not offer them incentives to clean up the plants and bring them up to the newest clean burning coal plants around? Then it is a win-win for everyone...
SammyAdams
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To: jeskibuff Re: Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:22:05 AM (Printed below)

"WonderfulMI said: "These coal-fired powerplants were built during the administration of Democratic president Franklin D Roosevelt, as part of an economic recovery package. As such, I would expect every Republican to demand the closure of these socialist inspired powerplants."

Unlike Dumbocrats, most conservatives are not in favor of wasting resources, no matter who was responsible for building them. We can see the abject stupidity of liberals like Obozo who succeeded in sending millions of perfectly good vehicles to rot in junkyards across the nation. It's always good to transition to more advanced and efficient technology, but it's quite obvious with Solyndra, Beacon Power, A123, Abound, etc. what happens when idiots try to force a transition by just dumping taxpayer money on the doorstep at some unproven businesses. Obozo has proven to be a failure at ALL of such ventures. How anyone could have voted for him a second time around after seeing such failure is beyond comprehension!"

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Right on, jeskibuff! But it's futile to expect more from folks with less between their ears. BO's agenda is to destroy the middle class as he was taught by his Marxist mentors. "Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil." KJV
Norm10
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 10:35:25 AM

Natual gas is the way to go!
humblepie
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 9:02:13 AM

so much eco nonsense
Joeski1
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 8:23:16 AM

coal... 100 years of cheap pollution.
jrschl
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 7:56:05 AM

What do they expect us to replace these plants with?
RUNNINONEMPTYFL
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 7:17:00 AM

Tree Huggers...
ktyson13
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:59:20 AM

i'm with SmokinJoe!
smokinjoe54
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:54:00 AM

I thought the Pres. mission was to create jobs not destroy them. That's the main livelyhood for them. Coal burning is a lot cleaner than years ago with all the clean air restrictions that have been met.
swede
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:47:55 AM

Where do these environmentalists live? Do they live in Tennessee or in the Tennessee Valley Authorities energy grid? If they don't maybe the environmentalists should pay the difference in the cost of all the Gigawatts of electricity that it would cost to run electric generation plants with a different fuel.
isem
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:45:17 AM

The Eco-nuts create a lot of NOISE; don’t they realize that NOISE is a form of pollution too?
Jeffro61
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:38:28 AM

Obama's war on coal. Killing jobs.
mandoid
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:38:27 AM

excellent comment jeskibuff
fordfan1
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:34:40 AM

Of course they do!!!!!! These idiots will not be happy until we are sitting in the dark and we are using horses to get around on!!!!!!!
craigsf38
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:28:39 AM

OK
fcdriver
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:28:37 AM

i thought they were opening a new one?
speedys
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:27:21 AM

They better get the new sources of power built before they tear down the old coal ones.
nb52
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:25:19 AM

Our Maximum Leader has publicly stated, one of his goals was to end coal use as an energy source .
Clayton2000
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:25:17 AM

Not good
subnuke
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:24:44 AM

One first has to believe that carbon is the enemy. The only that are saying that are green enviros that want money for solar and wind that do nor preoduce and are very expensive.
ShabbyPA
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:23:15 AM

no, I dont think so!!
Harry813
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:22:13 AM

I hope they think about the jobs that will be lost?
jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:22:05 AM

WonderfulMI said: "These coal-fired powerplants were built during the administration of Democratic president Franklin D Roosevelt, as part of an economic recovery package. As such, I would expect every Republican to demand the closure of these socialist inspired powerplants."

Unlike Dumbocrats, most conservatives are not in favor of wasting resources, no matter who was responsible for building them. We can see the abject stupidity of liberals like Obozo who succeeded in sending millions of perfectly good vehicles to rot in junkyards across the nation. It's always good to transition to more advanced and efficient technology, but it's quite obvious with Solyndra, Beacon Power, A123, Abound, etc. what happens when idiots try to force a transition by just dumping taxpayer money on the doorstep at some unproven businesses. Obozo has proven to be a failure at ALL of such ventures. How anyone could have voted for him a second time around after seeing such failure is beyond comprehension!
sawdust1825
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:21:56 AM

What's the alternative power source?
GasPriceHelp4u
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:20:27 AM

Darn tree-huggers.....get back to reality...what's more important now?
Elaine4411
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:18:47 AM

Interesting
Petrock
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:17:59 AM

And our utility costs will continue to rise more and more!
daytonabiker
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:17:57 AM

what will they replace them with nuke power plants?
JohnofGB
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:16:38 AM

These people have a single vision without regards to the consequences in the near term.
skippypa
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:16:07 AM

Ok it's good
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:15:16 AM

Ok
CarefulDriver
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:13:58 AM


I don't know what I think about this.
WonderfulMI
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:13:24 AM

These coal-fired powerplants were built during the administration of Democratic president Franklin D Roosevelt, as part of an economic recovery package. As such, I would expect every Republican to demand the closure of these socialist inspired powerplants.
DblChek
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:13:00 AM

It seems we get what we ask for...or vote for (?)
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:12:30 AM

Clean coal is still good.
dar 1
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:10:54 AM

Coal is cheap and we have LOTS of it.... its sad the days of cheap electric ARE GONE.
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:10:52 AM

Start by turning off power to Sierra club members houses.
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why?
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