honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 7:52:20 AM
good beans!
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bevmill

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Georgia
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 6:42:32 PM
ok
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virostek

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 7:18:47 AM
OK.
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sydb7

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 5:35:48 AM
Ok. Maybe.
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tomok

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Portland
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 3:06:36 AM
Daimler ramping up Smart Fortwo Electric Drive prodution to meet "high" demand? What demand?? 'Coming out of the closet' Sneeky's lousy, smoke and mirrors, lack of jobs, dog and pony show and in the crapper economy, the jobs are Not here. Sneeky's economy is not improving but continues to hurt the population and the job numbers continue to be down! People will still drive and buy fuel no matter what but it sure helps to have a job too! With much more time, EV's and Inbreds will improve, the vehicles will get better and maybe they will have a greater driving range, a higher battery storage capacity and a much quicker recharging time. What the future may hold is promising but it's Not for me at this time! Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! XII/XXII/MMXII!
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millerin

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Orlando
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 12:16:49 AM
hmm...
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METEOR49

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 12:12:25 AM
expensive golf carts .
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boatfloyd

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Jacksonville
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 12:08:11 AM
This will be an interesting EV.
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billy44bo

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Mobile
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 12:07:51 AM
Good for them but that is not the car for me
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pgerassi

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 12:02:46 AM
$70/mo for the 17.4KWH battery lease is too much. A bottom balanced LiFePO4 battery pack at retail is $5,709 (174V@100AH (54S1P) at 175Kg (385lbs)). Such a pack delivers 14KWH usable for 3,000 cycles. That is 210K miles at EPA highway. Considering that the normal US driver goes 1,250 miles/mo, that works out to 168 months or 14 years. $70 * 168 months is $11,760 or more than twice the going rate. Using EPA city, that range is over twice as long. It also delivers 67KW continuously and 97KW peak (15 seconds). Add $11.8K to the price and the ForTwo winds up at $36.8K not far from the $40K Ford Focus BEV which has more range and carries 2/2.5 times the people (four comfortably and 5 in a pinch) on its 23.5KWH pack (35% more than the ForTwo for a range 50% farther).
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:59:26 PM
Show me a skateboard with seven airbags, @clermont40miles.
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Red7002011

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Mississippi
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:59:02 PM
Less wait and see what happen.
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:58:36 PM
Rates won't go up, @troutbum7. EVs are almost always charged up overnight when there's a surplus of capacity at the power plant.
It's called off-peak pricing.
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clermont40miles

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:57:34 PM
I'm doing my part and not adding demand for this joke of a car.
Beats a skateboard for getting around but may be more dangerous.
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:57:31 PM
@milespergallon wrote, "Electric is one of the worst propulsion ideas EVER foisted on the consumer."
– Can't be any worse than ethanol.
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troutbum7

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Nevada
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:56:47 PM
Hey neat get a bunch of electric cars so we can see electric rates skyrocket. No thanks just another worthless piece of junk not practical.
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ProRogue

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Vancouver
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:56:20 PM
No sir, not for me-- not while there's still oil down there. We ain't done drillin' yet! Boy, I tell you what, I love the smell of exhaust fumes in the morning.
I got a zillion reasons why Smarts just ain't for me, but I won't bore you with 'em. If you ask me, a car that don't need no gasoline just don't make no sense.
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joeschmo12

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New York
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:55:27 PM
hey, i want one of those. it's cheap and it's french.
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:55:15 PM
The old dead batteries are recycled, just like the battery in your car, @marion1739.
I wouldn't worry about the batteries so much. There are plenty of hybrids on the road and their original, factory-installed batteries are still going strong.
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:53:27 PM
Why stop at a V8, @mcmonsta? How about a V12?
For the record, Tesla's tiny little electric motor can smoke a Corvette off the line so size isn't everything.
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:51:31 PM
The price keeps on going down. Pretty soon, people won't be able to use that argument anymore.
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fuelsaverMN

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:50:46 PM
I DON'T SEE ME DRIVING ONE.
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SavALot

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Virginia Beach
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:50:26 PM
where is this high demand?
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Robert44

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Columbus
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:49:13 PM
I don't see me driving one.
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BREW9

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Tampa
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:49:02 PM
ok
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wild3bill

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New York
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:45:06 PM
I have a car costume for Christmas with ELF eARS!
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mcmonsta

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Honolulu
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:44:28 PM
don't see one anywhere in my future..just make V8's just more advanced...is that too much to ask?
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marion1739

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:43:18 PM
Anyone think about what to do with the old dead batteries yet? Or like Nuclear fuel we'll worry about it later.
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MG_Sputnik

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Philadelphia
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:40:56 PM
"Prodution"?
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Yonkers111

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Scranton
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:38:38 PM
Don't see one in my future.
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feldagast

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Toledo
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:34:03 PM
golf carts for libs
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speedys

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Utah
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:34:01 PM
Golf carts are cheaper and probably better.
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mstearno

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:29:23 PM
lets simmer down here HIGH????
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karlet

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Pittsburgh
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:27:42 PM
OK
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DEG

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Las Vegas
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:23:52 PM
The Smart For Two is an ugly golf cart on steroids.
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lowspeed

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Akron
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:20:09 PM
too small for me
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gd83goldwinger

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South Bend
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:20:05 PM
Bah, bah, bah.
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GNo1

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Nashville
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:15:39 PM
Really? Not here in the US.
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serrog

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Nova Scotia
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:13:05 PM
Not for me
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abcdMA

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Worcester
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:11:04 PM
Electric is good for only some
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suzmar

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Texas
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:08:53 PM
Yea, crazy affordable (for an electric) vehicles. I'll bet the biggest buyers are still government entities. The majority of people do not see EV's as practical.
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postcard9

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Massachusetts
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:06:58 PM
Affordable is a great way to make products attractive.
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Harry813

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Iowa
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:05:00 PM
Yep, affordable is the key ..
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lsb1955

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Salt Lake City
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:04:54 PM
ok
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Lukus

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Halifax
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:01:48 PM
It depends on price in North America. Too pricey and it won't sell.
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prorodeo2012

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Bakersfield
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 11:00:24 PM
Like low prices
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mlmeng

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 10:57:35 PM
Pass
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wayoung56

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Alabama
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 10:57:15 PM
Hmmm...
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kbierley

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 10:56:51 PM
Demand?
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snerd

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 10:54:30 PM
No EV for me.
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