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Citing 'accident' risk, Rancho LPG storage facility opponents want tanks moved

Press-Telegram -- Described as a "ticking time bomb," San Pedro's Rancho LPG storage facility came under renewed fire on Saturday as residents gathered to hear a terrorism risk expert talk about the tanks.

About 70 people attended the two-hour discussion sponsored by a coalition of homeowners groups, neighborhood council members and an organization that sponsors the website HazardsBeGone.com/.

The tanks storing propane and butane at 2110 N. Gaffey St. have come under increasing scrutiny by those who say the materials pose a danger to tens of thousands of residents for miles around.

From street demonstrations to community forums and videos showing the potential damage of a tank disaster, activists have pushed their cause to move the Rancho LPG facility, owned by Plains LPG, out of the area.

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Submitted Feb 25, 2013 By: NOTSOGRN

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LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,595 Points:1,202,835 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 11:03:58 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse It is a good article! Thanks for posting.
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,599 Points:1,139,320 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 1:08:08 AM Ignore NedW Report Abuse Thank you for submitting this article, NOTSOGRN.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,595 Points:1,202,835 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 12:20:09 AM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse It seems this article is on target. I think one of the issues brought forth was the legitimate question, What will LPG Storage facilities cover in the event of a disaster? Homeowners in the proximity deserve an answer to this question.
mastermariner Champion Author Texas Posts:4,236 Points:492,035 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 5:22:43 PM Ignore mastermariner Report Abuse Should have thought about that before they were built
Catfish93001 Champion Author Ventura Posts:1,200 Points:247,205 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 2:38:35 PM Ignore Catfish93001 Report Abuse The concerns are justified, if that thing goes boom there's going to be a very large crater where it was.
fuel2use Champion Author Seattle Posts:3,473 Points:730,400 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 1:16:46 PM Ignore fuel2use Report Abuse To bad it is next to an oil refinery.
zaq001 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,965 Points:1,470,150 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:58:38 AM Ignore zaq001 Report Abuse Each of these facilities undergoes a security and vulnerability assessment. This is nothing but smoke and mirrors from leftist environmental wingbats.
GoLancer4 Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,787 Points:438,515 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:29:44 AM Ignore GoLancer4 Report Abuse yep
rbrowdersr Champion Author Detroit Posts:5,711 Points:1,816,910 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:27:54 AM Ignore rbrowdersr Report Abuse Don't count on the right thing being done.
ModelWarships Champion Author Missouri Posts:5,779 Points:1,229,160 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:55:49 AM Ignore ModelWarships Report Abuse not in my backyard. But I still want to use the propane and I don't want to pay extra because it has to be trucked in from out of state. Makes perfect sense to a California Liberal.
Insuremn Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:4,937 Points:1,028,085 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:52:38 AM Ignore Insuremn Report Abuse Everything is an issue in CA.
BossPal All-Star Author Illinois Posts:527 Points:237,460 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:51:21 AM Ignore BossPal Report Abuse well if the presnt property owners dont like it they can move, or if enough interest is raised they government can get involed and claim EMINENT DOMAIN problem solved.
Hop1LA Champion Author Baton Rouge Posts:3,299 Points:1,173,570 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:48:38 AM Ignore Hop1LA Report Abuse Maybe the owner will do the right thing? LOL
99church Champion Author Indiana Posts:1,806 Points:359,015 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:47:30 AM Ignore 99church Report Abuse Just move the tanks
bluebird1 Champion Author Toronto Posts:15,720 Points:3,105,200 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:46:34 AM Ignore bluebird1 Report Abuse Too bad it's not easy moving such things & that we need such storage to begin with, & nskmda makes a good point...except this sounds more of houses being built near it & then owners complaining. The article states was there in the 70's & has a 'grandfather clause' to allow it to still operate. So if residents are so riled up about it, they shouldn't have moved in beside it, as I'm sure few are original owners of over 40 yrs!!
Don20 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:9,657 Points:2,616,705 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:46:17 AM Ignore Don20 Report Abuse So lets advertize it more, so all the morons know where it is....
geezrtek Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,891 Points:429,560 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:46:09 AM Ignore geezrtek Report Abuse California more crazy people per square foot than anywhere else in the country. When they chase all the energy resources out of the state, they will shocked and hurt that their energy prices will continue to be the highest in the nation.
nskmda Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,270 Points:785,030 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:41:37 AM Ignore nskmda Report Abuse it's confusing to see either such things built in such areas or houses built next to such things... if it's potentially dangerous, why place them next to each other? @Titanic1985 exactly, man, exactly [Edited by: nskmda at 2/25/2013 10:42:36 AM EST]
Titanic1985 Champion Author South Carolina Posts:6,229 Points:356,145 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:41:17 AM Ignore Titanic1985 Report Abuse I have to agree with twinfanMN when he said, "Who was there first the people or the tanks? If the people moved to the area knowing the tanks were there then tough hop." When I lived in Virgina, Dulles International Airport was built in 1972. It was located 13 miles from the Capital Beltway and the Federal Government who owned it, at that time, built the 13 mile Interstate connection solely to drive to the airport. Nothing was in the area near the airport at that time. Eventually, houses and business began to appear and now it is fully developed and people are complaining about aircraft noise, possible accidents, etc. The airport was their first in 1972. What are they supposed to do -- move it?
Number43 Champion Author Lexington Posts:8,681 Points:1,635,245 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:39:31 AM Ignore Number43 Report Abuse If it's there lawfully then tell them to go to hell. If they don't like it then they should move.
itzagasgasgas1 Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,959 Points:1,596,570 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:36:45 AM Ignore itzagasgasgas1 Report Abuse Butane tank go boom.
Point__man Champion Author Raleigh Posts:4,320 Points:874,770 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:35:49 AM Ignore Point__man Report Abuse "Rancho LPG Holdings LLC (Rancho) is a liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) storage facility located in San Pedro, Calif. Since 1973, the Rancho terminal has operated on North Gaffey Street directly adjacent to a local refinery. The Rancho facility is used for seasonal storage of butane, which is a byproduct of gasoline refining. The facility also handles a small amount of propane. In the summer months, butane is temporarily stored due to California air quality requirements. In the winter months, butane is blended into gasoline." This area along the coast of Los Angeles is home to many refinery operations and the air often is unacceptable because of it. I was stationed at Long Beach Naval Station, next to San Pedro, in 1969 and the quality of life around the base was horrible because of all the nearby refinery operations. As I understand it, those conditions still exists in many areas around San Pedro. California needs what comes from those refineries. Unfortunately, it is also overpopulated and many thousands of people have move into those bad areas, For them to complain about it is ludicrous ;) I would worry more about air quality and move away than I would about those tanks that are used to make gasoline.
fire@53 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:11,818 Points:2,767,125 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:35:26 AM Ignore fire@53 Report Abuse So who is going to pay to relocate the tanks? Not the protesters!
mysub Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:8,896 Points:2,327,540 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:35:18 AM Ignore mysub Report Abuse alwaysridin88, I totally agree. Stupid, isn't it.
JMW1942 All-Star Author Michigan Posts:549 Points:402,970 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:33:28 AM Ignore JMW1942 Report Abuse Not a place to be when it goes off.
Sanpoil All-Star Author Spokane Posts:514 Points:124,195 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:33:02 AM Ignore Sanpoil Report Abuse NIMBY!
GasSpy007 Champion Author New York City Posts:1,806 Points:485,400 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:32:53 AM Ignore GasSpy007 Report Abuse Why would one even move to a place that has such catastrophic potential.. I don't even keep my BBQ near my house, it is at the far end of the yard where if the tank blew it would be a good distance from everyone, neighbors included.. If I didn't have that space I wouldn't have a propane BBQ.. Seriously folks.. Same as living near a large water tank, oil, or those large intense electric structures.. I understand that the living is probably less expensive, but at what human cost??
alwaysridin88 Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,431 Points:562,700 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:32:17 AM Ignore alwaysridin88 Report Abuse Let's publicize this more and make sure the terrorists really know the address, etc so they can make this a self-fulfilling prophesy.
twinfanMN Champion Author Minnesota Posts:1,616 Points:453,215 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:31:27 AM Ignore twinfanMN Report Abuse Who was there first the people or the tanks? If the people moved to the area knowing the tanks were there then tough hop.
arb0526 Champion Author Greensboro Posts:1,961 Points:407,695 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:30:05 AM Ignore arb0526 Report Abuse Just like an insurance agent...spread fear to get you to sign up for a policy
032946 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:19,839 Points:4,040,045 Joined:Oct 2001	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:29:36 AM Ignore 032946 Report Abuse Put in a bomb shelter!
sivart Champion Author Arkansas Posts:18,207 Points:3,068,035 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:28:45 AM Ignore sivart Report Abuse OK
tutaw Champion Author Kentucky Posts:3,585 Points:839,820 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:28:26 AM Ignore tutaw Report Abuse sounds reasonable
waynemustang Champion Author Indiana Posts:6,362 Points:1,662,860 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:28:11 AM Ignore waynemustang Report Abuse Those same people risk their lives driving on roads.
rrs517 All-Star Author Colorado Posts:913 Points:341,780 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:27:15 AM Ignore rrs517 Report Abuse Sounds like the old NIMBY effect. (Not In My Backyard). This is just like folks building homes at the end of airport runways when the airport was there first and then complaining about the noise. Let's get ALL the facts folks.
I5Don Veteran Author California Posts:320 Points:1,571,095 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:26:53 AM Ignore I5Don Report Abuse Another group of lawsuit happy California Moron's.
pbalmeo All-Star Author Los Angeles Posts:875 Points:184,415 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:26:01 AM Ignore pbalmeo Report Abuse Precarious.. But the not in my backyard syndrome is.taking placr.
LongPlay Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:4,233 Points:1,237,350 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:25:25 AM Ignore LongPlay Report Abuse Are the stupid tree huggers going to pay for the expense? Maybe the natives will freeze when the LPG goes away!
HATinMUNDY Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,667 Points:760,970 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:24:56 AM Ignore HATinMUNDY Report Abuse Sounds like a conspiracy.....
trekmanKY Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,085 Points:356,285 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:24:41 AM Ignore trekmanKY Report Abuse The tanks need be move!
arnerator Champion Author Seattle Posts:8,169 Points:1,615,215 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:24:30 AM Ignore arnerator Report Abuse Whoa !!! A time bomb in their midst.
Robert44 Champion Author Columbus Posts:3,567 Points:1,217,130 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:23:26 AM Ignore Robert44 Report Abuse Move where? Who going to pay for move? Imagine moving these tanks thats going to be costly and probably dangeous!
nsdp Champion Author San Antonio Posts:1,117 Points:47,290 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:23:11 AM Ignore nsdp Report Abuse ARCO, tanks originally went in that area when the oil fields in the San Pedro area went into production in 1923 and it is in the juridiction of the Port of Los Angeles. I can remember the original controversy back in 1973 when Petrolane filed the permits to upgrade to new and the Brown vs Petrolane 102 Cal App3rd 720. The courts have ruled, the tanks are in a port authority created by the State of California for this purpose 30 years before the subdivisions were built. In 1980 the HOA's sued to remove the terminal and lost so that is race adjucicata. The HOA's have received a 103 page legal pinion written legal opinion from the City of Los Angles Port Authority telling them to forget it. You guys taking the HOA side should learn all the facts first. http://www.portoflosangeles.org/pdf/rancho_facility_attachments.pdf
emernal Champion Author St. Louis Posts:6,922 Points:2,010,070 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:21:02 AM Ignore emernal Report Abuse If the residents are will to cover the expense 100% then fine. Otherwise why did you buy a house in the area?
goalie1950 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:6,395 Points:1,293,495 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:19:44 AM Ignore goalie1950 Report Abuse Must be a better solutions than just moving the storage tanks some place else.
lindalm25 All-Star Author Indianapolis Posts:530 Points:143,300 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:19:31 AM Ignore lindalm25 Report Abuse Unfortunate this concern wasn't expressed prior to building the facility
LuthierKS Champion Author Wichita Posts:3,730 Points:727,005 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:19:15 AM Ignore LuthierKS Report Abuse Were the homes there first, or were the tanks there first?
Julassa Veteran Author Akron Posts:327 Points:107,225 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:19:03 AM Ignore Julassa Report Abuse They won't be able to make them move the tanks.
Topless2012 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,417 Points:478,140 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:18:56 AM Ignore Topless2012 Report Abuse Get over it.
barbs24 Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:3,124 Points:2,037,545 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:18:53 AM Ignore barbs24 Report Abuse I agree ILANGE9