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NHTSA wants automakers to pump up the volume on hybrids

GasBuddy Blog -- They're so quiet they're dangerous. That's one of the problems the automotive industry will have to overcome for its all-electric vehicles and hybrids that often run on electric power only.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) said Monday that it is proposing minimum sound standards for hybrid and electric vehicles as a way to make pedestrians more aware of them as they approach.

Because those vehicles don't rely on traditional gas or diesel-powered engines at low speeds, they tend to be much quieter, making them hard to hear given the ambient street noise, says the Detroit Free Press. That's why The proposed standard -- mandated in the Pedestrian Safety Enhancement Act -- would require that the...

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garywa01 Sophomore Author Alberta Posts:130 Points:380,665 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 9:08:56 AM Ignore garywa01 Report Abuse good idea
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,632 Points:1,610,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 7:58:38 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse the idea is good. The implementation isn't. 343
wshutton Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,672 Points:925,170 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 2:13:06 PM Ignore wshutton Report Abuse Let Hollywood sound effects specialists come up with a solution. They always make future vehicles sounds cool! I favor mandating running lights that are on whenever the vehicle is operating too.
rogerparry Champion Author Florida Posts:9,565 Points:1,917,405 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:59:11 AM Ignore rogerparry Report Abuse It will help with City noise reduction.
gobux10 Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,179 Points:680,935 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:58:45 AM Ignore gobux10 Report Abuse Not too much
LeeFree Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:9,156 Points:2,244,425 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:57:08 AM Ignore LeeFree Report Abuse They should let Darwinism run its course.
mnrick041 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:14,311 Points:1,369,885 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:56:34 AM Ignore mnrick041 Report Abuse Dumb idea
cheapertvs Champion Author Richmond Posts:10,290 Points:2,742,695 Joined:Jan 2004	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:52:52 AM Ignore cheapertvs Report Abuse Perhaps we place flashing signs on them saying warning?
warlord1 Champion Author Georgia Posts:5,250 Points:1,034,975 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:51:26 AM Ignore warlord1 Report Abuse they are quiet
chuckohio Champion Author Columbus Posts:1,263 Points:253,330 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:49:24 AM Ignore chuckohio Report Abuse Hybrids are good if the price can come down
getalong All-Star Author California Posts:796 Points:149,190 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:48:39 AM Ignore getalong Report Abuse sigh
neptune2008 Champion Author Michigan Posts:8,578 Points:1,670,700 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:48:22 AM Ignore neptune2008 Report Abuse haha mrjames!
vamike Champion Author Virginia Posts:5,330 Points:1,365,925 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:48:03 AM Ignore vamike Report Abuse Yesterday's news.
ILVET Champion Author Illinois Posts:14,799 Points:2,926,590 Joined:Jan 2005	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:48:00 AM Ignore ILVET Report Abuse At what cost?
mrjames1818 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,550 Points:1,999,070 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:46:16 AM Ignore mrjames1818 Report Abuse It is a safety issue - especially for a blind person
Petrock Champion Author Lexington Posts:9,128 Points:2,558,735 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:46:04 AM Ignore Petrock Report Abuse People just need to WAKE UP!!
Lengas Champion Author Gary Posts:13,555 Points:2,718,750 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:45:10 AM Ignore Lengas Report Abuse People walking should pay more attention instead of texting and talking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SBlouch Champion Author San Antonio Posts:8,735 Points:1,860,240 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:44:13 AM Ignore SBlouch Report Abuse So now we must have cars which make a noise.
stpetebp Champion Author Tampa Posts:6,227 Points:1,733,555 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:44:05 AM Ignore stpetebp Report Abuse Just a little noise
Brucevanf Champion Author New Brunswick Posts:1,361 Points:245,260 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:41:18 AM Ignore Brucevanf Report Abuse More noise for us all
skanytank Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,251 Points:560,100 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:41:02 AM Ignore skanytank Report Abuse I admit hybrids are exceptionally quiet when crawling along at 5 mph or so and can surprise pedestrians if closeby...just saying...
Zuman Champion Author New York Posts:6,169 Points:1,899,655 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:39:59 AM Ignore Zuman Report Abuse This is more government STUPIDITY.
kirzon484 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:1,871 Points:434,260 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:36:19 AM Ignore kirzon484 Report Abuse is noise pollution good or bad
JLSindy Champion Author Cleveland Posts:3,491 Points:674,015 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:36:10 AM Ignore JLSindy Report Abuse Pedestrians have no responsibility for their own actions and safety?
rosyLI Champion Author Long Island Posts:5,640 Points:1,069,580 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:36:01 AM Ignore rosyLI Report Abuse Nothing like looking where you ar going.
MarAzul Champion Author London Posts:3,781 Points:680,460 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:35:05 AM Ignore MarAzul Report Abuse And the E-scooters...?
wkb03 Champion Author Georgia Posts:1,965 Points:594,025 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:32:27 AM Ignore wkb03 Report Abuse What happen to the old saying: Stop, Look & Listen. (That was before ipads)
OmieCA Veteran Author California Posts:253 Points:130,335 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:30:28 AM Ignore OmieCA Report Abuse You'd think hybrid driver would be a bit more cautious! They're not!
rjd1608 Champion Author Toledo Posts:5,366 Points:1,930,980 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:28:34 AM Ignore rjd1608 Report Abuse more hybrids, less gas, less money for road repair
P H Champion Author Albany Posts:58,134 Points:2,408,905 Joined:Jan 2004	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:27:49 AM Ignore P H Report Abuse Ditch the ipod!
Maintroll Champion Author Lexington Posts:8,639 Points:1,704,110 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:26:17 AM Ignore Maintroll Report Abuse And then what about the ones walking around with ear plugs in their ears?
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Bus936 Champion Author Lexington Posts:16,449 Points:3,220,980 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:11:28 AM Ignore Bus936 Report Abuse Always be aware of your surroundings is what I say. Look at trains and how much noise they make, then some idiot walks down the tracks with a headset on and gets hit. Now what kind of thinking is this?
FrankTA2 Champion Author New York Posts:4,293 Points:1,096,060 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:08:54 AM Ignore FrankTA2 Report Abuse We don't need more noise.
bikechuck Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:7,016 Points:2,064,095 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:07:49 AM Ignore bikechuck Report Abuse People have eyes, use them. Always look both ways, we are not deer.
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DrCashFlow Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:7,074 Points:1,628,200 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:06:07 AM Ignore DrCashFlow Report Abuse Can't wait to hear what the proposed solution is
NotTom Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:5,356 Points:1,386,790 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:02:30 AM Ignore NotTom Report Abuse I will not buy an battery hybrid or electric car. Although electric hybrids are well proven, electric hybrid technology is limited in several ways: 1. Cost. The cost of second generation batteries that can charge faster, go farther, and last longer are currently prohibitively expensive. Chevrolet has rumored that the Volt battery pack currently costs more than $16,000. Tesla has indicated its battery pack is over $40,000. Both battery systems are rated at 500 cycles—or about 18 months of daily charging before replacement is necessary. Equivalent hydraulic pump/motor and tanks cost $2,500. 2. Charge time. Charge time not only impacts overall efficiency and utilization, but also how efficient the brake regeneration system is. Toyota currently estimates their brake regeneration system at 30 percent efficiency, while hydraulic brake energy regeneration efficiency is over 80 percent, since hydraulics are not limited by battery charge limits during the regeneration cycle. 3. Battery Weight. Weight has a dramatic impact on overall transportation efficiency, and even lithium ion battery technologies add significant weight. Toyota’s current battery pack adds 150 pounds to the Prius, the Chevy Volt battery pack is expected to weigh 350 pounds, and Tesla’s battery pack exceeds 1000 pounds. Equivalent storage in carbon fiber tanks weigh 75 pounds. 4. Maintenance talent availability. Electric hybrid vehicles are highly complex and the DC power can be dangerous if not handled by specifically trained mechanics. There are not a large number of specifically trained mechanics in the US today, and the training requirements are significant. Most fleet mechanics already have training and a strong comfort level with hydraulic technology. With the current electric hybrid limitations in mind, and recognizing that there are currently no competitors serving the light- and medium-duty hydraulic hybrid space in the automotive or retrofit markets, HHS has designed a Hydraulic Hybrid System for the automotive and fleet vehicle retrofit markets.
WR-INC Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:39,499 Points:3,625,310 Joined:Dec 2002	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:01:28 AM Ignore WR-INC Report Abuse The playing card trick would work for both bicycles and electric cars. It also sounds like they're giving the raspberry.
BoerneWatch Champion Author San Antonio Posts:15,546 Points:2,454,915 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 4:49:37 AM Ignore BoerneWatch Report Abuse This is just plain dumb. What about making cyclists make noise also?
no_monkey2002 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:8,420 Points:2,071,925 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 4:47:45 AM Ignore no_monkey2002 Report Abuse keep your eyes on what is going on in the world ....looking in your phone will kill you..day dreaming will kill you..sleep walking will kill you...drinking and drive will kill you...wake up world