brus282
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:08:29 AM
electronic problems are the most difficult to repeat, not surprised they have forgotten those who have died due to this problem. Makes you wonder what else they sacrificed to get to the top, thanks to our media and the anti american buyers
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dopster
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:06:50 AM
Kind of a good example that disproves the hoax theory.
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danny999
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:06:44 AM
model-----TOYOTA is investigating the alleged incident.The driver is getting questioned from many different fronts.Some things just don't add up.
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LilRedWagonIN
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:05:25 AM
It does seem excessive to keep reporting on an alleged problem by starting to describe the personal emotions of the victims to solicit an emotional response against the scapegoat whether it is Toyota, evil hard-hearted Republicans, or Jews, who are the cause of all our problems in Obama's America or Nazi Germany.
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indyjim
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:04:38 AM
I just wish someone would correctly diagnose the problem and get it fixed.
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baitmn
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New Orleans
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:03:47 AM
now every crook will be out there too make there claim on the toyota company
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30mpg80
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:01:06 AM
Every fatal car accident is a tragedy and should be investigated completely for cause.
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gasman50
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Portland
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:00:16 AM
Toyota has a very tough road ahead
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ModelWarships
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Missouri
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:59:09 AM
I'm surprise no one from Toyota is saying that they can't duplicate this problem too.
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Cuzilla
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Indianapolis
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:58:38 AM
Driving is dangerous. Your chances of accidental death increase every time you get into a car. It may be due to your driving, the other guy's driving, mechanical failure, earthquake, weather, snipers, etc.
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rx7racerca
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Calgary
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:57:53 AM
My God, the rubbish journalism is at flood stage. While auto fatalities are always tragic to family and friends left behind, reciting a list of them that involved Toyotas hardly constitutes finding a problem. As has been frequently pointed out, brakes have conclusively been shown to be able to brake Toyotas and other tested cars to a stop safely regardless of the throttle being wide open.
This points to driver error as a primary cause of these incidents, much as was shown to be the case with Audi 5000's and supposed "unintended acceleration" back in the 80's - drivers hitting the gas instead of the brakes, and holding it because they believe they've hit the brakes, despite evidence to the contrary. No evidence has emerged of Toyotas, or other cars surging of their own accord to WOT, the issues identified have been sticking throttle linkages (slow return), and floor mats getting caught on the pedals (aftermarket, not Toyota floormats, at that). These incidents only ever happen with automatic transmission cars (of all brands). Because in a standard transmission car, the driver constantly has to coordinate both feet with 3 pedals - and if they make a mistake with the right foot on the gas and brake, the left can and naturally would stab the clutch and end "unintentional" acceleration. Which could be done by these Toyota and other drivers, by either taking their foot off the gas, or shifting to neutral - or even using the brake to stop the car, even with the throttle wide-open, as shown by Car and Driver in a test of a Camry just like the one the California cop died in.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended_acceleration-tech_dept
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riddellr
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Illinois
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:57:20 AM
Diesel_Ram: Speaking from experience (I've had a throttle stick) when you are in the "Heat of the Moment", you are more worried about avoiding other cars and trying to get the throttle unstuck to think about shutting off the key. It is really the "Last" think that crosses your mind because it is not a normal thing to do. Once you have had a throttle stick and you finally figured out to shut the key off, it is the first thing you think of if/when it happens again. Unfortunately, some people never get a second chance to see if they remember.
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Maintroll
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:56:25 AM
I feel bad that this incident took place, but to ease the pain on everyone, lets just blame Toyota for every accident now and previously. While you have them down on the ropes, just stomp them good. It seems now that no one is at fault in anything except Toyota.
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Diesel_Ram
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:54:49 AM
I still don't understand with that much time why they didn't just turn the vehicle off or put it in neutral?
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esorsd
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:52:30 AM
So sad for the innocent victims.
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Zinnoil
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:52:28 AM
Interesting, reports are that the runaway was sold and now has over 10,000 additional miles with no issues.
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clermont40miles
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:49:00 AM
Sad loss.
Fix them or get them off the road.
All are at risk, not just the TOYota drivers.
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CptnCanada
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:48:44 AM
How once mighty Toyota has fallen to join the "big three"
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9C1
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:48:40 AM
One Toyota driver in Minnesotta is in jail for an accident that may have not been his fault. There is a lot of human damage from all this, and way too few answers.
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RochBear
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:47:46 AM
And Toyota says, "we can't find the problem, so it doesn't exist". Why would ANYONE with HALF A BRAIN ever want to support a company like that?!?!
Yet I see many Toyota drivers defending their crappy cars. But it's time the Gov't step in and not allow any more sales until Toyota truely finds and fixes the problem. I was out driving yesterday, and there are LOTS of these Death traps on the road. What about the people who get hit by one of these run away cars? How many people have been killed when they were not in the Toyota, but got hit by one?
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BillHeatherL
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Alberta
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:46:22 AM
will we ever know the truth
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TommyTraveler
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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:45:59 AM
Toyota will take years to recover from this.
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bills55
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:45:33 AM
This will follow Toyota for a long time.
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njerald
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:43:05 AM
Yawn....
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DustyHorse
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:42:15 AM
I am so sick of the media hype around the Toyota recalls. There is a lot of wrong information out there. According to tests conducted by Car And Driver magazine. Brakes always win over full throttle acceleration. They tested three different cars including a Camry. The brakes were able to stop a 540 horse power, Roush Stage 3 Mustang going 100 MPH, while at full throttle in 903 feet.
Check out the full article at:
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended_acceleration-tech_dept
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:42:04 AM
So that latest Prius incident, where the car "took off", and the CHP had to help stop it?? Yeah, the investigators can find nothing wrong with the car. I have a suspicion that Toyota doesn't want to find anything wrong.
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bicycler
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:41:30 AM
I will never trust Toyota again! I was thinking that my next car would be one but not now!
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eights
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Ohio
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:41:25 AM
will we really know the truth
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ByGuy
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:40:51 AM
Surprised at Toyota non response to the initial problems.
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briguy101386
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:39:35 AM
Heck no! You have to be crazy to have the Government bail you out and start over. Once the Government get's it's tentacles around you it's hard to get rid of them.
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Ticoman54
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:36:56 AM
Evidenced by these other nameless fatal accidents, I believe Toyota's coverup started a long time ago.
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repeater1
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:36:40 AM
Doubtful the whole truth will ever come out.
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83stang
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Ohio
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:36:10 AM
drive by wire die by wire!! say no to to it there wroking on brake by wire just say no wont buy it!!
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yukonjack
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:35:47 AM
Have any Lexus models been recalled? Didn't think so!
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CLM06
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:35:30 AM
Toyota needs to find the problem fast
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Dennisjk
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:33:35 AM
This is going to be a years long process of tapping Toyotas pockets. Maybe Obama will help them file bankruptcy so they can start over like Goverment Motors.
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MightyDude
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:32:54 AM
Very sad but; neutral, switch off, then…
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The_Gunslinger
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:32:15 AM
1 death in a car that wasn't the fault of a driver is 2 too many.
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DABEE1073
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:28:29 AM
IT WILL ALL BE WORKED OUT IN COURT.
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bad_sailor
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:27:21 AM
The blame game continues.
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seeyardee
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:25:58 AM
This article reads like an airplane crash tribute.
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threewheeler
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:24:35 AM
Consumer reports is on Toyota and Honda's payroll
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kruk
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:23:37 AM
what about those who died in Ford's GM's BMW's and so on - seems like media likes or dislikes Toyota
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carrollcreek
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:23:03 AM
There is an issue here and it would be good to figure out what it is. I don't think it's the pedal or floor mat, as the company wants us to believe. There is another issue here at hand. The problem is that this could happen to more cars then just Toyota's, if it is a software problem.
I don't agree that we should stop talking about this. I don't see it a Toyota bashing at this point. I more see it as, Hey there' a problem here, and it could affect a multitude of cars. Lets' figure this out so more people are not injured or killed.
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TXGasPriceSpy
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:22:58 AM
If there wasn't something wrong with these cars, why did Totota recall so many of them???
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opecsucks76
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:22:23 AM
Whoever wrote this article has a flair for the dramatic. People die in all types of cars, should we write an article for those dying in Chevys?
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ssect8
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:19:39 AM
People have been dying in car accidents since the first auto hit the road.
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bcb_albany
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:18:36 AM
While I agree that these deaths are tragic, I agree that it's time to move on. Toyota will do what they can to cauterize the wound, and I've no doubt they will survive, but we really do need to let them go back to making cars. Leave the lawsuits up to the attorneys, there are plenty of other real news stories to cover.
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DieselKat
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:17:58 AM
They will never be able to sort out all the true and false claims about this. But for sure Toyota has a problem.
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lleddirj
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:17:47 AM
More ppl are killed in auto related accidents than ANY other.
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karmadrome
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:17:27 AM
Enough with the Toyota articles already. Enough with the media hysteria! EVER car manufacturer has had problems, right down to tires. And the media is just as guilty with their hype (exploding gas tanks anyone?)
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Bubba44612
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:16:22 AM
What about the people that died in Pinto crashes or GM pick up trucks?
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